I’m not one to give up so easily; today I gave LOOB another chance. I used the zerran leave-in (2 dime blobs) and applied 2 gobs of LOOB – I’m talking golf ball size, and then 2 nickels of HEBE. I wasn’t too impressed with the combo when I took it out of the plop. Once my SO and I returned from the movies, however, I was quite surprised with the end result. My hair is soft, hardly any frizz, and with chunky, med-tight waves! I guess I wasn’t using quite enough LOOB. I’ll definitely try this out more to see if it wasn’t a fluke by the hair gods.